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warning to paperman lol what a friendly welcome from mr calvin lol well i was turned off before i got started concerning mr pinks teachings i thought you could have done better than that sam getting a woman to read mr pink teachings very colourful lol i think ill stick to the teachings of paul revelation of the mystery hidden in God then first shown to paul colossians ch one verses 25 and 26
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sam i liked you lol i took time out today and did listen to your 2 teaching by mr pink but sadly to say there was nothing about the church age and the teachings of paul it was old testament teachings nothing whatsoever to do with the church the body of Christ i was just thinking what tribe did mr pink come from lol sam i would like to ask you a question i know you will answer well i think it deserves a good bibicial answer study colossians ch one verses 25 and 26 my question is did peter know the revelation of the mystery before paul if you answer yes peter knew before paul. please explain verse colossians verse 26 its worth waiting for answer lol. paperman
Your Question; Did Peter know the "revelation of the mystery" before Paul?
Could you please define what you mean by the term "revelation of the mystery"?
sam you asked me please define what i meant by the term the revelation of the mystery. well im sure you know what i meant your a long time on the road 1986 i believe but because what im about to answer dont fit in with your teachings i guess youll turn a blind eye to it. ill tell you what i believe 25 and v 26 of ist colossians is saying paul was shown the revelation of the mystery the church the body of christ which was hidden in God from ALL generations but was first shown to paul. Sam i would like you please explain what paul is saying to you in theses 2 verses 25 and 26 what was hidden from ALL generations ty paperman
Sam i forgot to send you this link to study on last post the speaker will define the revelation of the mystery better than i have done if youll take time to listen ty paperman http://www.discerningthetimespublishing.com/main.htm
Your words, "Sam i would like you please explain what paul is saying to you"
Paul is not saying anything to me"
2:Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
I hope to reply to your questions more fully later today DV.
paul is saying nothing to me. paul has shown me through these scriptures something that was hidden from all nations SOMETHING THAT WAS HIDDEN IN GOD from all nations as i said before what was hidden from all nations deserves an answer Sam please dont dodge the question . all im asking is whats paul meaning here 1st colossians verses 25 and 26 paperman
Sam in answer to some of your, it doesnt say this in bible. Sam you asked me to define and this i did you said the bible didnt say the mystery was hidden in God which is correct i said it was. Sam who else would the mystery be hidden in only an all known God why was it called a mystery because it was God only who knew before paul and as paul said i was taught of no man but of God it couldnt have been a mystery if God had hidden it. then gave it to paul for us body of Christ. sam here is some right division to chew on lol . Dispensational Theology distinguishes between Israel and the Church
The scriptures repeatedly refer to the apostle Paul as "the apostle of the Gentiles" (Ro.11:13), "the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles" (Ro.15:16), "the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles" (Eph. 3:1), etc. And Paul alone refers to this present time period in which we live as the dispensation of the grace of God (Eph.3:2).
In addition, Paul also states that a dispensation of the gospel was committed unto him, in 1Cor.9:17-18 -
17: For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
18: What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
And indeed, a dispensation is basically the same thing as an administration. For example, a Presidential administration might also be thought of as being a Presidential dispensation. So, in this present dispensation of grace, salvation is now being dispensed (or administered) to Uncircumcised Gentiles by grace through faith alone (see Eph. 2:8-9).
But until God revealed this mystery to Paul, this dispensation of grace in which we live had never been the subject of prophecy. Instead, Paul states that this present dispensation was not previously "made known" (revealed) unto the sons of men, in Eph. 3:1-6 -
1: For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2: If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4: Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5: Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6: That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
This fact cannot be emphasized enough. It is important to understand that because Uncircumcised Gentiles can now be saved, the dispensation of grace in which we now live could never have been the subject of prophecy, because the uncircumcised had no hope in the previous dispensations (see Gen. 17:14; Ex. 12:48; Ezek. 44:7-9). That is why verse 3 above states that that this dispensation was previously a "mystery".
Paul again states that the dispensation of God which was given to him had been a mystery hidden from ages and from generations, in Col. 1:25-27 -
25: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26: Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
So, Col. 1:25-27 and Eph. 3:2 both prove that this present dispensation was given to Paul, after having previously been a hidden mystery (again, it was never foretold in prophecy). And as we shall see, numerous other passages also show that Paul alone had a unique ministry as the apostle of the Gentiles.
But during the Four Gospels, the Lord Jesus Christ and His 12 apostles preached the "gospel of the kingdom" (Mt.4:23; Mt.9:35; Mt.24:14; Mk.1:14), which actually had been the subject of prophecy. In contrast to this present dispensation of grace, the gospel of the kingdom was not a mystery at all, because prophecy clearly states that God's kingdom is to be literally established at some future point, with Jerusalem at its center (Is.2:1-4; Micah 4:1-3; Zech.8:20-23). This was the prophesied kingdom that Jesus and His apostles proclaimed as being "at hand" (see Mt. 3:2; Mt. 4:17; Mt. 10:7; etc.). But this kingdom, which is to be centered in Jerusalem, cannot exist without Jesus as its King. And because the nation of Israel still rejects the Lord Jesus Christ, we know that Israel's prophesied kingdom has not yet been established. Nor can it even be "at hand", until Israel as a nation is ready to accept the Lord Jesus Christ.
So, because the present salvation of Uncircumcised Gentiles was never foretold by any Old Testament prophet, or even by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, this present "dispensation of grace" covers an UNPROPHESIED time period which the apostle Paul refers to as "the mystery".
Dispensationalism, then, recognizes the distinction between Israel and the church, as we see when we apply a literal interpretation of scripture. Consequently, Dispensationalism is rooted in the belief that scriptures which apply to Israel do not apply to the present church. Likewise, Mid-Acts Dispensationalism is based upon the teaching that the present body of Christ began with the apostle Paul, when he was saved during the mid-Acts period.
In addition, mid-Acts Dispensationalists also believe that since neither the Old Testament or the Four Gospels ever mention the possibility that Uncircumcised Gentiles could be saved through Israel's fall, those scriptures could not be written directly to the church today. Even though the Old Testament scriptures and the Four Gospels were written "for" our learning and admonition, they were not written directly "to" us today, as Paul also states in Ro. 15:4 -
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
So, all prophecies concerning Gentile salvation through the glorification of Israel have yet to be fulfilled, because Israel is currently in a fallen state due to her unbelief (Ro. 11:11-13). Since the prophecies that pertain to Gentile salvation all center around a future time in which the Gentiles will seek the Lord in Jerusalem (see Is.2:1-4; Micah 4:1-3; Zech.8:20-23), those Gentiles will again be blessed through the exaltation of Israel, rather than through her "fall". For this reason, our salvation today can not be based upon Old Testament prophecy. ty sam for reading the text or did you. lol Paperman
sorry sam correction in last post should have read it was a mystery hidden. getting old lol. Sam i said in last post that i said the mystery was hidden in God which colossians one doesnt say but it does say Hid in God in ephesians chapter 3 verse 9 states not only Hid but from when hid. the beginning of the world a long time.a mystery until given to paul ref eph 3v9 : And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: ty for your post Sam. PAPERMAN
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